1 00:01:04,800 --> 00:00:31,940 [Music] 2 00:01:10,420 --> 00:01:07,660 and good morning from Philadelphia Frank 3 00:01:12,249 --> 00:01:10,430 here are with a UFO news network Sunday 4 00:01:14,830 --> 00:01:12,259 James is off this week 5 00:01:16,899 --> 00:01:14,840 joining us is Jennifer Stein now 6 00:01:19,450 --> 00:01:16,909 producer of the Travis Walton 7 00:01:22,090 --> 00:01:19,460 documentary and she's going to be at the 8 00:01:23,380 --> 00:01:22,100 big MUFON symposium in Cherry Hill New 9 00:01:25,929 --> 00:01:23,390 Jersey next weekend 10 00:01:26,830 --> 00:01:25,939 so let's get right to it Jennifer good 11 00:01:29,139 --> 00:01:26,840 morning how are you 12 00:01:30,010 --> 00:01:29,149 good morning Frank thanks for having me 13 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:30,020 on the air 14 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:33,130 absolutely so we're all set to go and 15 00:01:38,380 --> 00:01:35,450 let's get started with the big news 16 00:01:40,090 --> 00:01:38,390 you've got the big MUFON symposium 17 00:01:42,070 --> 00:01:40,100 coming up this weekend this is sort of 18 00:01:45,219 --> 00:01:42,080 an annual event your biggest event of 19 00:01:47,260 --> 00:01:45,229 the year yes you're right and we are 20 00:01:50,309 --> 00:01:47,270 ambitious enough to try to move it 21 00:01:53,050 --> 00:01:50,319 around the country every year so that 22 00:01:54,669 --> 00:01:53,060 everyone in the States has a chance to 23 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:54,679 try to get to it so we have it in the 24 00:01:59,469 --> 00:01:56,810 south we have it in the Midwest we have 25 00:02:02,380 --> 00:01:59,479 it on the west coast and this is the 26 00:02:04,690 --> 00:02:02,390 first time back in four years on the 27 00:02:08,020 --> 00:02:04,700 Northeast Corridor so it's very special 28 00:02:12,190 --> 00:02:08,030 it happens July 27th 28th and 29th and 29 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:12,200 the theme is UFOs extraterrestrials and 30 00:02:19,390 --> 00:02:15,650 the future of humanity and you've got a 31 00:02:21,790 --> 00:02:19,400 pretty good guest lineup set to go for 32 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:21,800 this yeah so ya wanna tell why don't you 33 00:02:25,540 --> 00:02:23,450 run there why don't you run through this 34 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:25,550 this lineup you've got a little bit here 35 00:02:29,770 --> 00:02:27,410 I would love to thanks for the 36 00:02:33,490 --> 00:02:29,780 opportunity well some of the biggest 37 00:02:36,460 --> 00:02:33,500 news is that we're actually hosting the 38 00:02:39,309 --> 00:02:36,470 former Pentagon intelligence officer 39 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:39,319 Louise Ellis onso many of your listeners 40 00:02:43,990 --> 00:02:41,810 who are interested in this topic you can 41 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:44,000 probably know about the December 16th 42 00:02:49,149 --> 00:02:46,610 announcement which was really quite huge 43 00:02:51,610 --> 00:02:49,159 it was what Nick Pope calls maybe 44 00:02:56,050 --> 00:02:51,620 disclosure with a little D it was quite 45 00:02:57,820 --> 00:02:56,060 a expose in major media and it was taken 46 00:03:00,729 --> 00:02:57,830 very seriously and it's still being 47 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:00,739 taken very seriously so Louise Elizondo 48 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:02,480 will be our keynote and he will kick off 49 00:03:07,059 --> 00:03:04,730 the entire conference on Friday night at 50 00:03:09,130 --> 00:03:07,069 a banquet dinner at this is going to be 51 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:09,140 held at the Crowne Plaza in Cherry Hill 52 00:03:14,420 --> 00:03:12,290 New Jersey so it's very central just 53 00:03:17,539 --> 00:03:14,430 outside of Philadelphia just across the 54 00:03:19,610 --> 00:03:17,549 River we have an excellent hotel rate 55 00:03:22,009 --> 00:03:19,620 for anyone wanting to come in even at 56 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:22,019 the last minute I think it's like $99 a 57 00:03:28,009 --> 00:03:26,040 night and then we start but we actually 58 00:03:30,860 --> 00:03:28,019 have some pre-conference things that are 59 00:03:34,339 --> 00:03:30,870 quite amazing as well I'll mention that 60 00:03:36,619 --> 00:03:34,349 on Friday during the day we're offering 61 00:03:39,339 --> 00:03:36,629 two free lectures for people who might 62 00:03:42,050 --> 00:03:39,349 be on the fence who haven't ever really 63 00:03:43,369 --> 00:03:42,060 exposed himself to a UFO conference they 64 00:03:45,140 --> 00:03:43,379 don't know what to expect and they're 65 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:45,150 not quite prepared to you know plunk 66 00:03:50,330 --> 00:03:47,760 down 350 dollars to spend a weekend 67 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:50,340 listening to these experts from you know 68 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:51,930 really all over we've got people from 69 00:03:56,300 --> 00:03:54,090 Canada and all across the United States 70 00:03:57,710 --> 00:03:56,310 who will be speaking with us and even 71 00:04:01,819 --> 00:03:57,720 one girl who was originally from 72 00:04:04,789 --> 00:04:01,829 Zimbabwe so it's it's an amazing program 73 00:04:08,149 --> 00:04:04,799 but on Friday we have Lynn khatai the 74 00:04:10,699 --> 00:04:08,159 very famous dr. Lynn khatai who brought 75 00:04:12,770 --> 00:04:10,709 to light the whole Phoenix lights saga 76 00:04:15,229 --> 00:04:12,780 not only did she write a book about it 77 00:04:17,060 --> 00:04:15,239 but she did a documentary so at 10 78 00:04:20,029 --> 00:04:17,070 o'clock on Friday morning she's offering 79 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:20,039 a free lecture on this and people can 80 00:04:23,779 --> 00:04:21,690 kind of come in you know learn about 81 00:04:26,420 --> 00:04:23,789 MUFON meet us meet some field 82 00:04:28,610 --> 00:04:26,430 investigators here Lynn talk and then 83 00:04:31,730 --> 00:04:28,620 just after lunch at 1:00 o'clock Travis 84 00:04:34,550 --> 00:04:31,740 Walton is going to speak for free for an 85 00:04:36,379 --> 00:04:34,560 hour and a half we have an amazing press 86 00:04:38,810 --> 00:04:36,389 conference where all of our speakers 87 00:04:41,719 --> 00:04:38,820 will be at 2 p.m. for any of the press 88 00:04:43,730 --> 00:04:41,729 that hears this interview and the press 89 00:04:46,820 --> 00:04:43,740 can ask them questions they can bring in 90 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:46,830 their cameras and talk and Lewis will be 91 00:04:50,570 --> 00:04:48,570 there as well as most all of our 92 00:04:52,580 --> 00:04:50,580 speakers except Nick because Nick's a 93 00:04:56,779 --> 00:04:52,590 plane won't get in till just after that 94 00:04:58,159 --> 00:04:56,789 he couldn't get in here on time and so 95 00:04:59,960 --> 00:04:58,169 let me tell you who the other speakers 96 00:05:02,089 --> 00:04:59,970 are then the rest of the day and and 97 00:05:04,850 --> 00:05:02,099 I'll mention we also have a free film 98 00:05:07,670 --> 00:05:04,860 screening going on the entire weekend so 99 00:05:09,499 --> 00:05:07,680 all day Saturday and all day sunday we 100 00:05:11,570 --> 00:05:09,509 have films and anyone can look at the 101 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:11,580 schedule at the website called MUFON 102 00:05:16,879 --> 00:05:15,210 symposium calm and under special events 103 00:05:19,129 --> 00:05:16,889 there's free events listed there's also 104 00:05:22,580 --> 00:05:19,139 a schedule so I'll tell you who we kick 105 00:05:24,230 --> 00:05:22,590 off with on Saturday morning we have a 106 00:05:27,050 --> 00:05:24,240 wonderful man named John Brandenburg 107 00:05:28,190 --> 00:05:27,060 who's a plasma physicist and he's worked 108 00:05:31,790 --> 00:05:28,200 in all of the 109 00:05:35,300 --> 00:05:31,800 well you know physicists the labs across 110 00:05:37,310 --> 00:05:35,310 the country he's been he works for NASA 111 00:05:40,910 --> 00:05:37,320 for a while he's done a lot of things 112 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:40,920 with space and missions to Mars and he's 113 00:05:46,910 --> 00:05:44,090 going to be speaking kicking us off and 114 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:46,920 I think the title of his talk is a 115 00:05:52,340 --> 00:05:50,160 report from Mars does the path to 116 00:05:53,810 --> 00:05:52,350 extraterrestrial disclosure lead through 117 00:05:56,180 --> 00:05:53,820 the cydonia Mesa 118 00:05:57,980 --> 00:05:56,190 so he believes there's real strong 119 00:06:00,470 --> 00:05:57,990 evidence there has been advanced 120 00:06:02,180 --> 00:06:00,480 civilization on Mars and the atmosphere 121 00:06:04,370 --> 00:06:02,190 was probably stripped away and and 122 00:06:06,140 --> 00:06:04,380 there's there's lots of evidence I 123 00:06:07,910 --> 00:06:06,150 believe that's what he's going to be 124 00:06:09,650 --> 00:06:07,920 speaking about apparently it's real 125 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:09,660 groundbreaking stuff for a real 126 00:06:15,110 --> 00:06:12,330 scientist a PhD scientists like him to 127 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:15,120 come forward with his theories then at 128 00:06:20,030 --> 00:06:17,130 ten o'clock we've got Lim khatai again 129 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:20,040 speaking on the main floor then we break 130 00:06:22,730 --> 00:06:21,690 for lunch and we have these breakout 131 00:06:25,010 --> 00:06:22,740 panels for lunch 132 00:06:27,980 --> 00:06:25,020 so our first breakout panel is John 133 00:06:30,830 --> 00:06:27,990 Brandenburg Nick Pope Ted Peters Robert 134 00:06:32,690 --> 00:06:30,840 Wood Lynn khatai and David Pilates so 135 00:06:34,130 --> 00:06:32,700 even if somebody doesn't want to come to 136 00:06:36,620 --> 00:06:34,140 the whole conference and because they 137 00:06:39,380 --> 00:06:36,630 don't have time they could for 50 bucks 138 00:06:41,750 --> 00:06:39,390 or $59 or whatever come and just join us 139 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:41,760 for lunch grab a sandwich for an hour 140 00:06:45,860 --> 00:06:43,890 and a half hear all these people dialog 141 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:45,870 ask questions it's really a great 142 00:06:50,660 --> 00:06:48,930 opportunity to do a Lunch and Learn then 143 00:06:52,940 --> 00:06:50,670 we go back to Nick Pope who will be 144 00:06:55,310 --> 00:06:52,950 speaking many people know who he is he 145 00:06:59,660 --> 00:06:55,320 was the former Ministry of Defense from 146 00:07:02,300 --> 00:06:59,670 the UK and he is on you know 147 00:07:04,690 --> 00:07:02,310 CNN a lot he's called upon as an expert 148 00:07:07,370 --> 00:07:04,700 in this topic and he'll be speaking on 149 00:07:10,940 --> 00:07:07,380 futuristically looking ahead what does 150 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:10,950 the world look like in 2045 then we have 151 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:13,290 dr. Robert Wood who will be speaking on 152 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:16,530 alien viruses and the problem that 153 00:07:21,620 --> 00:07:19,410 humanity is going to face with this then 154 00:07:24,830 --> 00:07:21,630 Ted Peters who is a theologian an 155 00:07:26,890 --> 00:07:24,840 amazing man from the west coast he's 156 00:07:28,730 --> 00:07:26,900 going to be speaking on UFOs 157 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:28,740 extraterrestrials and the future of 158 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:31,490 humanity from a theological perspective 159 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:34,770 then we have a like a cocktail gathering 160 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:37,050 a one-on-one if you people just want to 161 00:07:39,690 --> 00:07:38,730 come to that separately they can that's 162 00:07:42,210 --> 00:07:39,700 about $100 163 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:42,220 that's with lluís Elizondo one-on-one on 164 00:07:48,660 --> 00:07:44,710 saturday night which is paid separately 165 00:07:53,490 --> 00:07:48,670 and that should be a nice really unique 166 00:07:56,220 --> 00:07:53,500 event then unexplained disappearances in 167 00:07:58,170 --> 00:07:56,230 rural areas a missing four one one man 168 00:08:01,770 --> 00:07:58,180 we all know David Pilates will be 169 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:01,780 speaking at on Saturday night and then 170 00:08:05,850 --> 00:08:03,130 we're going to show open to the public 171 00:08:09,870 --> 00:08:05,860 for free the 2001 Space Odyssey and we 172 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:09,880 have Dan Ricker who was the original ape 173 00:08:14,910 --> 00:08:13,330 man in the beginning of the movie he 174 00:08:17,550 --> 00:08:14,920 actually choreographed of that whole 175 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:17,560 scene and he'll be speaking about what 176 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:19,450 it was like to work with Stanley Kubrick 177 00:08:25,650 --> 00:08:23,020 and making the film and and why this is 178 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:25,660 such a still a futuristic and very 179 00:08:31,410 --> 00:08:27,930 important film and still relevant today 180 00:08:33,570 --> 00:08:31,420 so Saturday is kind of all about the 181 00:08:36,930 --> 00:08:33,580 science perspective and Sunday is all 182 00:08:38,550 --> 00:08:36,940 about the experiential perspective so of 183 00:08:41,130 --> 00:08:38,560 course you know we're talking about not 184 00:08:43,230 --> 00:08:41,140 only craft but beings that are operating 185 00:08:45,510 --> 00:08:43,240 these craft so sunday is about those 186 00:08:48,450 --> 00:08:45,520 people who have come in contact or I've 187 00:08:50,970 --> 00:08:48,460 had extraterrestrial experiences so 188 00:08:53,340 --> 00:08:50,980 we've gotten and Saturday and Sunday 189 00:08:55,890 --> 00:08:53,350 morning we have experience or workshops 190 00:08:57,810 --> 00:08:55,900 which actually start at 7:30 in the 191 00:08:59,640 --> 00:08:57,820 morning and those are also paid 192 00:09:01,170 --> 00:08:59,650 separately so if someone just wants to 193 00:09:03,090 --> 00:09:01,180 come to those they can 194 00:09:06,030 --> 00:09:03,100 it´ll those will be led by Kathleen 195 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:06,040 Martin and George medic and Kathleen 196 00:09:10,860 --> 00:09:08,410 most people know she's the daughter of 197 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:10,870 Betty and Barney Hill and she's written 198 00:09:16,950 --> 00:09:12,810 numerous books with Stanton Friedman on 199 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:16,960 the topic of abductions and UFO contact 200 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:19,450 and the problems that can cause in your 201 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:21,610 life and and the benefits it can bring 202 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:25,210 to your life as well so then we our 203 00:09:29,580 --> 00:09:27,850 first speaker of the day there on Sunday 204 00:09:33,260 --> 00:09:29,590 is dr. Don Dan Deary 205 00:09:37,950 --> 00:09:33,270 he and Kathy were involved in a 206 00:09:41,010 --> 00:09:37,960 designing a large test that anyone can 207 00:09:44,310 --> 00:09:41,020 take online and it it helps people 208 00:09:46,590 --> 00:09:44,320 understand the details and significance 209 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:46,600 of potential contact or abduction 210 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:48,370 experiences they've had and that's 211 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:50,050 called the American personality 212 00:09:54,850 --> 00:09:52,970 inventory test or API so 213 00:09:57,550 --> 00:09:54,860 he'll be discussing what that is and how 214 00:09:59,679 --> 00:09:57,560 people can take it and what their data 215 00:10:01,119 --> 00:09:59,689 and results have been from me I think 216 00:10:04,509 --> 00:10:01,129 over a thousand people that have taken 217 00:10:07,150 --> 00:10:04,519 it and then Selma Sadek who is one of 218 00:10:11,170 --> 00:10:07,160 the children from the Arial school this 219 00:10:13,150 --> 00:10:11,180 is a very very famous story in 1994 60 220 00:10:18,309 --> 00:10:13,160 children in a playground at a missionary 221 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:18,319 school in southeastern Zimbabwe saw a 222 00:10:25,059 --> 00:10:22,250 craft land right on the adjacent side of 223 00:10:27,910 --> 00:10:25,069 their playground and beings literally 224 00:10:30,879 --> 00:10:27,920 got out and communicated telepathically 225 00:10:31,540 --> 00:10:30,889 with a number of children on that 226 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:31,550 playground 227 00:10:36,009 --> 00:10:33,529 Emily trim is one of them in Selma 228 00:10:40,869 --> 00:10:36,019 static is another now these are grown 229 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:40,879 women today and they were going to talk 230 00:10:45,790 --> 00:10:43,250 about how this impacted them then and 231 00:10:47,290 --> 00:10:45,800 still impacts them today and a film is 232 00:10:49,929 --> 00:10:47,300 being made about this by Randall 233 00:10:51,910 --> 00:10:49,939 Nickerson he's a actually a good friend 234 00:10:53,410 --> 00:10:51,920 and he lives in New York City so that 235 00:10:55,059 --> 00:10:53,420 film will be called the aerial 236 00:10:57,699 --> 00:10:55,069 phenomenon and we'll be seeing some 237 00:11:00,670 --> 00:10:57,709 little clips of interviews that the very 238 00:11:03,340 --> 00:11:00,680 famous Harvard psychiatrist John Mack 239 00:11:06,249 --> 00:11:03,350 made John got on a plane and flew to 240 00:11:08,710 --> 00:11:06,259 Zimbabwe in 1994 after this broken in 241 00:11:11,259 --> 00:11:08,720 world wide news and interviewed these 242 00:11:12,990 --> 00:11:11,269 children as children and Randall has 243 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:13,000 followed up with that and gone back to 244 00:11:18,009 --> 00:11:15,529 Zimbabwe and tracked down the children 245 00:11:19,749 --> 00:11:18,019 and is making a film about them in their 246 00:11:21,910 --> 00:11:19,759 adult lives now so it's an amazing 247 00:11:24,189 --> 00:11:21,920 documentary called the aerial phenomenon 248 00:11:30,579 --> 00:11:24,199 and their stories their stories have not 249 00:11:32,410 --> 00:11:30,589 changed that much no it hasn't changed 250 00:11:34,990 --> 00:11:32,420 at all but it's developed I mean 251 00:11:37,150 --> 00:11:35,000 obviously these experiences affected 252 00:11:42,309 --> 00:11:37,160 these people's lives in very profound 253 00:11:44,410 --> 00:11:42,319 ways and some you know some will be 254 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:44,420 speaking about that so Sunday we have 255 00:11:49,119 --> 00:11:46,370 another breakout lunch it's based on the 256 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:49,129 experience or approached so it's called 257 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:51,410 the experiencers experience it will be 258 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:52,730 led by Kathy Martin 259 00:11:57,189 --> 00:11:54,769 it will include Dom dari Randall 260 00:12:01,480 --> 00:11:57,199 Nickerson Selma static and Travis Walton 261 00:12:04,449 --> 00:12:01,490 so if they want if they can't come to 262 00:12:08,290 --> 00:12:04,459 the whole conference Sunday from 11:45 263 00:12:08,290 --> 00:12:08,300 to 1:30 we'll be doing that 264 00:12:12,189 --> 00:12:10,359 we finished a day with Travis Walt 265 00:12:14,889 --> 00:12:12,199 speaking and then Kathleen Martin 266 00:12:18,970 --> 00:12:14,899 speaking on Sunday so you know our our 267 00:12:21,189 --> 00:12:18,980 programs have an over arching platform 268 00:12:23,619 --> 00:12:21,199 you know we try to start with an idea we 269 00:12:25,569 --> 00:12:23,629 try to develop that idea so if someone 270 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:25,579 attends pull conference they walk away 271 00:12:32,859 --> 00:12:30,290 with this overview this perspective with 272 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:32,869 speakers it's not just random speakers 273 00:12:39,970 --> 00:12:36,610 it's really designed person to develop 274 00:12:43,780 --> 00:12:39,980 you know like if they've taken a 275 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:43,790 semester course on this topic it's 276 00:12:48,009 --> 00:12:45,889 really designed to go more in depth and 277 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:48,019 of course for many people who have been 278 00:12:54,100 --> 00:12:50,929 in this field for a long time we know 279 00:12:56,109 --> 00:12:54,110 that this is one of the hot potatoes 280 00:12:57,939 --> 00:12:56,119 that really gets passed around in the 281 00:13:00,879 --> 00:12:57,949 press and in the government nobody 282 00:13:03,699 --> 00:13:00,889 really wants to expose themselves on 283 00:13:06,519 --> 00:13:03,709 this topic and it's in many cases on a 284 00:13:08,650 --> 00:13:06,529 highly confidential topic many people 285 00:13:09,910 --> 00:13:08,660 with very high-level security clearances 286 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:09,920 are the ones that know the most 287 00:13:18,069 --> 00:13:12,889 interesting things like Lou Elizondo may 288 00:13:20,590 --> 00:13:18,079 be correct I noticed that they yeah they 289 00:13:23,129 --> 00:13:20,600 never talk about that when he's on CNN 290 00:13:25,929 --> 00:13:23,139 or Fox News or in the New York Times but 291 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:25,939 there's a little doubt that they did 292 00:13:30,249 --> 00:13:27,769 look at it and some of the folks 293 00:13:32,590 --> 00:13:30,259 connected to the to the Stars Academy 294 00:13:35,590 --> 00:13:32,600 are continuing to look at it but he's 295 00:13:37,359 --> 00:13:35,600 kept that kind of kind of yeah he's kind 296 00:13:40,030 --> 00:13:37,369 of like yes he talked about it too much 297 00:13:42,730 --> 00:13:40,040 and if the position was the advanced 298 00:13:44,739 --> 00:13:42,740 aerospace threat detection program right 299 00:13:48,309 --> 00:13:44,749 so he looked at many things not just 300 00:13:50,650 --> 00:13:48,319 UFOs or you know unusual craft 301 00:13:53,139 --> 00:13:50,660 maneuvering and that could be a 302 00:13:55,449 --> 00:13:53,149 potential threat to us like mother craft 303 00:13:58,689 --> 00:13:55,459 and things like this or craft docking 304 00:14:01,269 --> 00:13:58,699 together which we see and watch as I 305 00:14:04,359 --> 00:14:01,279 understand but Kirk I'm not in the 306 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:04,369 military so I whatever I say is just 307 00:14:09,460 --> 00:14:07,730 hearsay right but Louis eleganza when he 308 00:14:11,650 --> 00:14:09,470 left the Pentagon he left with 309 00:14:13,379 --> 00:14:11,660 permission from them it's not like he 310 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:13,389 just threw his hands up and walked out 311 00:14:18,100 --> 00:14:16,490 he said I'm going public I'm going to 312 00:14:19,990 --> 00:14:18,110 leave and I want to take a smoking gun 313 00:14:21,550 --> 00:14:20,000 with me I need to take a screw 314 00:14:24,310 --> 00:14:21,560 driver with me so I can show the world 315 00:14:27,220 --> 00:14:24,320 and the Pentagon essentially gave him 316 00:14:29,260 --> 00:14:27,230 permission to do that they kind of went 317 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:29,270 through what he wanted and said well you 318 00:14:33,850 --> 00:14:30,650 can't do that you can't do that you 319 00:14:37,770 --> 00:14:33,860 can't do that but you can do this so he 320 00:14:41,650 --> 00:14:37,780 came clean or came out I should say with 321 00:14:45,100 --> 00:14:41,660 f-18 fighter pilot backups that released 322 00:14:47,170 --> 00:14:45,110 photos and video and audio testimony 323 00:14:50,860 --> 00:14:47,180 that went public at the same time he did 324 00:14:53,260 --> 00:14:50,870 so it's not like he's not reliable or 325 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:53,270 it's not like people are saying well we 326 00:14:56,170 --> 00:14:55,010 really can't verify what he's saying 327 00:14:58,900 --> 00:14:56,180 uh-uh 328 00:15:02,140 --> 00:14:58,910 at this time and that's why the New York 329 00:15:03,940 --> 00:15:02,150 Times took it very seriously and another 330 00:15:07,540 --> 00:15:03,950 thing to realize behind the scenes if 331 00:15:11,020 --> 00:15:07,550 you work in major media like like CNN or 332 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:11,030 NBC or whatever of course you have to be 333 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:14,510 extremely vetted in what you say how you 334 00:15:19,060 --> 00:15:17,210 say it what your sources backup your 335 00:15:21,130 --> 00:15:19,070 source verify your source have 336 00:15:23,010 --> 00:15:21,140 confirmation of your source when you 337 00:15:26,110 --> 00:15:23,020 remember what happened to Dan Rather 338 00:15:28,030 --> 00:15:26,120 years and years and years ago he his 339 00:15:29,860 --> 00:15:28,040 sources were even vetted and then they 340 00:15:31,540 --> 00:15:29,870 came out and exposed it and said well it 341 00:15:34,780 --> 00:15:31,550 wasn't reliable and he lost his whole 342 00:15:39,490 --> 00:15:34,790 career over it so this was a calculated 343 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:39,500 step with many many many many people 344 00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:42,530 involved and I don't think most of the 345 00:15:46,180 --> 00:15:44,240 American public who doesn't follow this 346 00:15:47,740 --> 00:15:46,190 topic who just believes it's all 347 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:47,750 ridiculous because we've been programmed 348 00:15:52,270 --> 00:15:50,210 to believe that they may not really 349 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:52,280 understand the complexity of this but 350 00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:54,650 those in the know oh absolutely they're 351 00:15:58,810 --> 00:15:56,480 going to guess they're definitely coming 352 00:16:00,190 --> 00:15:58,820 I mean the Louise Elizondo things are 353 00:16:01,780 --> 00:16:00,200 the things that are most highly booked 354 00:16:05,140 --> 00:16:01,790 up I mean they're almost completely sold 355 00:16:10,420 --> 00:16:05,150 out now so you know people in the know 356 00:16:12,460 --> 00:16:10,430 are coming got it got it yeah definitely 357 00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:12,470 well one bit of information I don't know 358 00:16:17,079 --> 00:16:14,240 if you know this or not but one of the 359 00:16:19,060 --> 00:16:17,089 cases that either a tip or all Sapa 360 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:19,070 looked at well why he was running things 361 00:16:23,980 --> 00:16:21,410 I got this from a pretty good source was 362 00:16:27,090 --> 00:16:23,990 actually the Stephenville case back in 363 00:16:29,860 --> 00:16:27,100 2008 I'd be a very curious to see if 364 00:16:31,750 --> 00:16:29,870 anybody follows up the source on that 365 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:31,760 was George Knapp I know because I asked 366 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:33,649 him myself so 367 00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:35,930 kind of curious all along you know we've 368 00:16:42,129 --> 00:16:39,199 got a lot of details on the one Nimitz 369 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:42,139 case maybe yes some idea of what 370 00:16:47,259 --> 00:16:45,050 happened 2015 from the other two videos 371 00:16:50,679 --> 00:16:47,269 that have been released but not a whole 372 00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:50,689 lot of details or context or direct 373 00:16:55,299 --> 00:16:53,569 witness accounts from all that but also 374 00:16:57,189 --> 00:16:55,309 they did at least a look at the 375 00:16:59,799 --> 00:16:57,199 Stephenville case and i'm sure that over 376 00:17:01,749 --> 00:16:59,809 five years that you know probably a few 377 00:17:04,389 --> 00:17:01,759 dozen others i would i would estimate 378 00:17:05,860 --> 00:17:04,399 that that's what they looked at and and 379 00:17:08,199 --> 00:17:05,870 we're not getting a lot of details on 380 00:17:10,539 --> 00:17:08,209 that and obviously you know we're we're 381 00:17:12,730 --> 00:17:10,549 insatiable about UFO information so we'd 382 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:12,740 like to know more of course i now have 383 00:17:17,169 --> 00:17:15,529 you ever had steve allen on steve was 384 00:17:20,620 --> 00:17:17,179 the guy on the ground i think he was a 385 00:17:25,809 --> 00:17:20,630 MUFON field investigator at the time I'm 386 00:17:30,430 --> 00:17:25,819 not pursue his information you know you 387 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:30,440 know you know I really like to have on 388 00:17:44,740 --> 00:17:40,970 is my old pal Angela Joyner oh yeah yeah 389 00:17:47,409 --> 00:17:44,750 and Steven and and mrs. Joyner are good 390 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:47,419 friends so Angela would be happy I'm 391 00:17:51,970 --> 00:17:50,090 sure to come on the air that's Ben I 392 00:17:53,409 --> 00:17:51,980 don't actually know what she's doing 393 00:17:56,769 --> 00:17:53,419 right now but I know that they're 394 00:17:58,180 --> 00:17:56,779 friends yeah she well she had a but she 395 00:17:59,980 --> 00:17:58,190 had her own podcast go that was my 396 00:18:02,409 --> 00:17:59,990 favorite podcast when I first started 397 00:18:04,810 --> 00:18:02,419 seriously getting into this so I was a 398 00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:04,820 big fan of hers and you know it did it 399 00:18:10,060 --> 00:18:06,559 kind of ran its course in you you got to 400 00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:10,070 get on with getting on but I was I was a 401 00:18:15,010 --> 00:18:12,559 huge Angela fan when that she was a lot 402 00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:15,020 more active than she is these days yes 403 00:18:21,430 --> 00:18:19,520 yes well you know it's uh it changes 404 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:21,440 your life when you jump into this topic 405 00:18:26,860 --> 00:18:23,450 it really really does and I've certainly 406 00:18:29,470 --> 00:18:26,870 had my life changed with working as 407 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:29,480 closely as I have with Travis Walton 408 00:18:35,860 --> 00:18:33,049 over the last like five or eight years I 409 00:18:37,810 --> 00:18:35,870 actually met him when I was running a 410 00:18:40,149 --> 00:18:37,820 roswell conference with peter robbins 411 00:18:44,289 --> 00:18:40,159 you know because roswell continues to be 412 00:18:46,029 --> 00:18:44,299 a hugely important conference with what 413 00:18:47,169 --> 00:18:46,039 you know thousands of people flocking 414 00:18:50,379 --> 00:18:47,179 there every year 415 00:18:52,299 --> 00:18:50,389 the weekend of 4th of July and I was 416 00:18:53,709 --> 00:18:52,309 helping to run this conference with 417 00:18:56,889 --> 00:18:53,719 Peter Robbins and I had dinner with 418 00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:56,899 Travis in 2010 and I said to him you 419 00:19:00,700 --> 00:18:57,919 know how come you don't have a 420 00:19:02,709 --> 00:19:00,710 conference up and snowflake or in Heber 421 00:19:04,779 --> 00:19:02,719 you know you could turn your little 422 00:19:07,419 --> 00:19:04,789 towns into big economic booms because 423 00:19:10,139 --> 00:19:07,429 Roswell - nope it's not really wasn't a 424 00:19:12,759 --> 00:19:10,149 big city I mean it had a you know a 425 00:19:15,369 --> 00:19:12,769 military base on it which is why people 426 00:19:19,659 --> 00:19:15,379 know about it because of course we had 427 00:19:22,989 --> 00:19:19,669 our you know nuclear bombs were stored 428 00:19:25,899 --> 00:19:22,999 there during the Second World War so we 429 00:19:28,629 --> 00:19:25,909 said to Travis what why don't you think 430 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:28,639 about having a conference in your town 431 00:19:33,310 --> 00:19:31,369 and that's how I ended up getting 432 00:19:36,159 --> 00:19:33,320 involved in making a documentary about 433 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:36,169 him so not only will Travis be with us 434 00:19:40,869 --> 00:19:38,210 and you know close the day but we're 435 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:40,879 also showing his documentary and the 436 00:19:44,379 --> 00:19:43,129 Phoenix likes documentary as part of our 437 00:19:47,229 --> 00:19:44,389 free film screening 438 00:19:48,999 --> 00:19:47,239 yeah I've seen I've seen Travis's that 439 00:19:52,389 --> 00:19:49,009 doesn't documentary that you produced 440 00:19:54,219 --> 00:19:52,399 I've seen it a couple times and yeah I 441 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:54,229 strongly recommend it that whether you 442 00:19:59,310 --> 00:19:56,210 can get there or not you can still you 443 00:20:02,619 --> 00:19:59,320 can still see it it's a downloadable or 444 00:20:04,209 --> 00:20:02,629 not yet it's not ok it's not 445 00:20:09,339 --> 00:20:04,219 downloadable it's really only available 446 00:20:10,779 --> 00:20:09,349 on DVD if somebody has it out there in a 447 00:20:12,579 --> 00:20:10,789 downloadable form then they're 448 00:20:15,579 --> 00:20:12,589 bootlegging it and they directly turn 449 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:15,589 but I'm hoping to release it soon to 450 00:20:19,329 --> 00:20:17,570 Amazon and Netflix and things like that 451 00:20:21,849 --> 00:20:19,339 and I'm in the process of doing that now 452 00:20:23,769 --> 00:20:21,859 yeah I would I would strongly recommend 453 00:20:25,149 --> 00:20:23,779 that it was probably you're considering 454 00:20:28,509 --> 00:20:25,159 it's also one of the few cases where 455 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:28,519 they they actually made not a wholly 456 00:20:33,399 --> 00:20:31,129 accurate film version of it's a good 457 00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:33,409 movie but not wholly accurate it was 458 00:20:39,789 --> 00:20:37,039 probably a really a need to come up with 459 00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:39,799 a more documentary look at the entire 460 00:20:47,589 --> 00:20:42,559 case and also well what's happened in 461 00:20:49,779 --> 00:20:47,599 the years following up so I was a little 462 00:20:51,940 --> 00:20:49,789 bit about that process I'd be happy to 463 00:20:54,639 --> 00:20:51,950 so fire in the sky was the name of the 464 00:20:57,219 --> 00:20:54,649 book that Travis wrote that came out 465 00:20:59,469 --> 00:20:57,229 just after the movie fire in the sky 466 00:21:01,090 --> 00:20:59,479 that was produced by Paramount films 467 00:21:03,789 --> 00:21:01,100 directed by Trey 468 00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:03,799 see charm a Tracy took an interest in 469 00:21:08,190 --> 00:21:05,510 Travis's story when he heard about it 470 00:21:12,130 --> 00:21:08,200 and went up in interview Travis and 471 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:12,140 really wanted to follow quite closely a 472 00:21:18,850 --> 00:21:14,690 manuscript that Travis was working on at 473 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:18,860 the time with his crew boss Mike Rogers 474 00:21:25,630 --> 00:21:20,809 so the two of them have been 475 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:25,640 collaborating on a on a book and Tracy 476 00:21:29,260 --> 00:21:27,770 kind of got the manuscript and then gave 477 00:21:31,150 --> 00:21:29,270 it to a scriptwriter and of course 478 00:21:33,610 --> 00:21:31,160 Hollywood got ahold of it and said well 479 00:21:35,289 --> 00:21:33,620 we'll follow it to a certain extent but 480 00:21:37,659 --> 00:21:35,299 of course we're gonna like really 481 00:21:39,010 --> 00:21:37,669 distort the aliens and what happened on 482 00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:39,020 board the ship we're going to make that 483 00:21:43,390 --> 00:21:41,929 really scary and you know it's got to be 484 00:21:47,049 --> 00:21:43,400 really really scary and we've got to 485 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:47,059 create new and more in-depth drama to 486 00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:49,850 some of the crew shenanigans that had 487 00:21:54,730 --> 00:21:53,030 taken place and make that worse than it 488 00:21:57,970 --> 00:21:54,740 was and of course they didn't deal at 489 00:22:00,190 --> 00:21:57,980 all with what proceeded in the next 40 490 00:22:02,289 --> 00:22:00,200 years which was major debunking by 491 00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,299 Philip Glass so if anyone's read 492 00:22:08,350 --> 00:22:04,400 Travis's book they realized that one 493 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:08,360 third of his book is about one main 494 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:11,090 debunker named Philip Glass who chased 495 00:22:17,770 --> 00:22:14,690 those boys for at least 25 to 30 years 496 00:22:20,049 --> 00:22:17,780 and really attempted to ruin their lives 497 00:22:22,090 --> 00:22:20,059 on all accounts he he wasn't really 498 00:22:24,399 --> 00:22:22,100 successful I mean to a certain extent 499 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:24,409 yes some doors were closed to Travis and 500 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:26,809 the other members of the crew because of 501 00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:29,809 this experience they all were came from 502 00:22:33,970 --> 00:22:32,150 a Mormon towns many of their families 503 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:33,980 were Mormon and many of them were Mormon 504 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:36,650 themselves and it's very conservative 505 00:22:42,130 --> 00:22:38,690 they take what they do and say very 506 00:22:44,860 --> 00:22:42,140 seriously and to have your reputation so 507 00:22:48,730 --> 00:22:44,870 terribly ridiculed by people not 508 00:22:50,830 --> 00:22:48,740 believing that you if this was real I'm 509 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:50,840 thinking that you made it up for to 510 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:53,120 cover something else it was going on 511 00:23:00,399 --> 00:22:56,450 which the Hollywood film even developed 512 00:23:03,130 --> 00:23:00,409 further in its innuendo that it put 513 00:23:05,770 --> 00:23:03,140 forth it was very frustrating and 514 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:05,780 embarrassing for Travis so the idea that 515 00:23:11,169 --> 00:23:08,510 we could finally pull together energy 516 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:11,179 time and willingness on the crew members 517 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:13,250 and even people in the town to sit for 518 00:23:17,710 --> 00:23:15,290 interviews which mostly I show 519 00:23:19,450 --> 00:23:17,720 some other people shot as well and then 520 00:23:22,290 --> 00:23:19,460 I got some archived footage and put it 521 00:23:25,450 --> 00:23:22,300 together I and focused this on 522 00:23:27,940 --> 00:23:25,460 celebrating and the 40 on in a way where 523 00:23:30,370 --> 00:23:27,950 we had a 40th anniversary conference 524 00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,380 Travis was really saddled with the 525 00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:32,000 responsibility of pulling together the 526 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:34,340 conference and I took on the project of 527 00:23:38,620 --> 00:23:36,890 doing some film around it which I 528 00:23:40,570 --> 00:23:38,630 further developed into a really decent 529 00:23:43,540 --> 00:23:40,580 documentary like oh yeah yeah I 530 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:43,550 recommend much to my surprise Frank I 531 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:46,370 have to tell you I started to enter this 532 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:48,710 once I finished it into mainstream film 533 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:50,570 festivals course you know I put it in 534 00:23:54,130 --> 00:23:52,130 some sci-fi festivals in it one 535 00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,140 instantly and I put it out at the 536 00:23:58,900 --> 00:23:56,240 International UFO Congress and it swept 537 00:24:00,610 --> 00:23:58,910 their awards I'm I'm happy to say but 538 00:24:02,590 --> 00:24:00,620 when I started to put it in mainstream 539 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:02,600 film festivals I was shocked that it was 540 00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:04,820 getting in and it was winning additional 541 00:24:10,270 --> 00:24:08,240 awards and I know I'm sounding like I'm 542 00:24:12,910 --> 00:24:10,280 bragging but I have to say I didn't do 543 00:24:14,740 --> 00:24:12,920 it alone it was a big team of people who 544 00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,750 worked on it I have a co-producer Bob 545 00:24:18,850 --> 00:24:16,880 Theriot here in Philadelphia who really 546 00:24:20,590 --> 00:24:18,860 gave me the courage to start this 547 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:20,600 project because honestly I was a little 548 00:24:26,860 --> 00:24:24,530 afraid of it Roger wasn't sure I wasn't 549 00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:26,870 sure I could really do it or that I 550 00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:29,270 could raise the money or put up the 551 00:24:33,550 --> 00:24:31,580 money myself and came in spots where I 552 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:33,560 needed to I just wasn't sure I could 553 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:35,930 fully do it and it took me almost five 554 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:39,650 years to make it but you know I mean 555 00:24:45,490 --> 00:24:41,990 I've done different iterations of it and 556 00:24:47,050 --> 00:24:45,500 it's it's a long story but I've had to 557 00:24:49,180 --> 00:24:47,060 buy different types of archive footage 558 00:24:51,850 --> 00:24:49,190 the first footage I thought I had a 559 00:24:54,370 --> 00:24:51,860 contract on the guy reneged on it and 560 00:24:56,170 --> 00:24:54,380 then let me either sue him or find other 561 00:24:57,970 --> 00:24:56,180 footage so I just went out to find out a 562 00:25:00,130 --> 00:24:57,980 footage then I had to completely remake 563 00:25:01,180 --> 00:25:00,140 this film with new archived footage so 564 00:25:03,340 --> 00:25:01,190 that's a long story 565 00:25:04,750 --> 00:25:03,350 so you probably saw the original one 566 00:25:07,060 --> 00:25:04,760 which I think it's going to become a 567 00:25:09,370 --> 00:25:07,070 collector's item because of that yeah 568 00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,380 tell me I couldn't sell it as a DVD but 569 00:25:13,870 --> 00:25:10,880 he told me I could never put it in a 570 00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:13,880 movie theater or put it on TV or 571 00:25:19,210 --> 00:25:16,670 something so I said well you know he 572 00:25:21,370 --> 00:25:19,220 neglected to say sell it as a DVD so I'm 573 00:25:23,530 --> 00:25:21,380 going to do that and then I made a new 574 00:25:26,590 --> 00:25:23,540 film so I have two versions out there 575 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:26,600 and the one I sell as a DVD has been 576 00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:28,890 bootlegged over 60 times on the Internet 577 00:25:33,410 --> 00:25:31,260 I've had to take it down like I was 578 00:25:36,260 --> 00:25:33,420 telling you so it people are hungry for 579 00:25:39,770 --> 00:25:36,270 the truth on this topic but the film has 580 00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:39,780 won all these film festivals like 28 29 581 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:44,820 awards and UFO films do not make it into 582 00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:47,010 mainstream Film Festival they just get 583 00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:49,500 oh okay that's you know there's a 584 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:51,480 debunking the issue that goes on in the 585 00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:53,010 public's mind and they don't take it 586 00:25:57,770 --> 00:25:53,820 seriously 587 00:26:00,140 --> 00:25:57,780 and that's an incredible feat that I 588 00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,150 have to say really is a testament to 589 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:02,640 Travis and those boys and whack yourself 590 00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:04,740 in the head you have any interest in 591 00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:07,110 this topic right you'd be a fool not to 592 00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:09,809 be there and meet them right right 593 00:26:13,159 --> 00:26:11,640 especially on Friday morning when you 594 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:13,169 can meet him for free and you can go see 595 00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:15,690 your my film I'm letting them screen for 596 00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:19,080 free I think we're showing that Saturday 597 00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:21,510 morning at 10 o'clock so the Film 598 00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:23,580 Festival and everything is up online you 599 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:27,240 can you can see the oh maybe they don't 600 00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:28,890 have the full list of films up on the 601 00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:30,419 website I don't think they ever put it 602 00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:31,740 up there but we'll have it there on 603 00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:33,179 Friday morning and people can take it 604 00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,110 yeah between me and dr. Lin's movie 605 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:38,880 that's a pretty good double feature 606 00:26:43,490 --> 00:26:41,250 oh yeah and not only that but on 607 00:26:45,260 --> 00:26:43,500 Saturday we've got the first film is 608 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:45,270 called the secret space program and it's 609 00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:48,210 made by two amazing French filmmakers 610 00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:51,600 from Quebec Canada and one of them will 611 00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:53,460 be there introducing the film and asking 612 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:55,350 questions his name is Marc st. Germain 613 00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:57,450 that's an hour and a half film that 614 00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:00,000 kicks off Saturday morning then we have 615 00:27:06,289 --> 00:27:02,370 another filmmaker too named Scott 616 00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:06,299 Duchene who lives in the doylestown area 617 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:08,910 and he's done an amazing film called not 618 00:27:14,150 --> 00:27:11,850 alone like the mysterious skies above 619 00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:14,160 and it's a real scientific perspective 620 00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:15,480 on the fact that there may be living 621 00:27:19,610 --> 00:27:17,460 organisms that are luminescent that we 622 00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:19,620 don't even understand like we have as 623 00:27:24,770 --> 00:27:21,929 fish under the ground or that maybe some 624 00:27:27,650 --> 00:27:24,780 of these crafts are biological entities 625 00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:27,660 that come and go and there's a whole new 626 00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:32,580 area of consideration that we have not 627 00:27:37,940 --> 00:27:34,980 yet really addressed and maybe don't 628 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:37,950 understand there's a I mean just like 629 00:27:41,659 --> 00:27:40,169 we've there's mysteries under the sea 630 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:41,669 and the bottom of the ocean there's also 631 00:27:46,849 --> 00:27:42,450 a lot of 632 00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:46,859 in the atmosphere and in space we really 633 00:27:51,619 --> 00:27:49,470 only kind of know this like three to 634 00:27:53,659 --> 00:27:51,629 five mile crust of the earth that we 635 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:53,669 live on when you really think about it 636 00:27:59,599 --> 00:27:57,330 and we think we know everything there is 637 00:28:02,029 --> 00:27:59,609 to know about how many planets there are 638 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:02,039 in them you know universe and we know 639 00:28:05,989 --> 00:28:03,690 our minds have been blown about that 640 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:05,999 recently right in the last 15 years 641 00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:08,369 we've discovered oh my gosh things are 642 00:28:13,489 --> 00:28:11,460 there are many many many more likable 643 00:28:16,009 --> 00:28:13,499 and feasible planets out there for life 644 00:28:18,649 --> 00:28:16,019 than we ever considered I'll tell you 645 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:18,659 what I don't know if you saw the article 646 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:20,850 that came out that maybe about a month 647 00:28:25,820 --> 00:28:23,609 ago that I got a lot of attention it was 648 00:28:28,009 --> 00:28:25,830 covered in a few different places the 649 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:28,019 conversation picked it up I think a 650 00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:29,970 space comm picked it up quite a few 651 00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:35,100 places professor from SUNY Albany gonna 652 00:28:40,369 --> 00:28:38,070 be there that professor his name is Khun 653 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:40,379 he is I've been corresponding with a 654 00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,330 back and forth it was a great article 655 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:44,399 he's actually going to be there so 656 00:28:48,379 --> 00:28:46,169 people could meet him oh he's going to 657 00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:48,389 be there okay yeah he's not a speaker 658 00:28:52,729 --> 00:28:50,700 but he's coming to the conference oh I 659 00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:52,739 might cuz I interviewed a man he was our 660 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:54,840 last show I interviewed him a little bit 661 00:28:59,749 --> 00:28:56,730 more than a week ago he is a fantastic 662 00:29:04,639 --> 00:28:59,759 guy with some really interesting ideas 663 00:29:06,619 --> 00:29:04,649 about all this yes he did myself his 664 00:29:09,259 --> 00:29:06,629 first name is Kevin I think okay did he 665 00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:09,269 pitch the conference uh yeah he did not 666 00:29:15,229 --> 00:29:11,700 we we covered a lot of ground basically 667 00:29:17,659 --> 00:29:15,239 about the article led up to it and also 668 00:29:19,580 --> 00:29:17,669 his work in the field because I think 669 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:19,590 the two go hand in hand you know it's